Something New "NDRL"

[The Texas Speedsensor]

National Drag Racing League The rules are the same as the ADRL but outlaw cars go 1/4 Mile and its in the works right now as im typing, I meen come on Scotty Cannon went 5.734 @252.71and a lot of P/X racers wants to beat that record and Jim Halsey 5 sec pass in P/N, So now im going to leave it up to yall on what yall thank on taking the five classes to the 1/4 mile, P/X, P/N, X10.5, X/M, X/PS ?????

[Nick]

Who's organizing this Wayne, and where will the races be held?

[Kirk Wilmes]

please give us some more info becuse this is exactly what I have been looking for.

[david hance]

I'm putting the final touches on such a series...hoping to run adrl rules on full quarter mile at zmax, norwalk, bristol, rockingham & etown...should have final authorization within 48 hours...have dates and and an interested sponsor...more info very soon....any quests or comments I can be reached at:

DHANCE1@AOL.COM thanks,

Dave

[Nick]

I'm not trying to step on your toes Dave but what I'd really like to see is a series featuring legal Pro Modifieds with a set of rules that ensures parity and an entity dedicated to keeping it that way, a real Outlaw 10.5 class likewise with a set of rules to ensure no one combination dominates, True 10.5 (no whellie bars), ditto on the rules and a Top Sportsman class.

I'm getting pretty tired of these "outlaw" races that just invite people to spend more and more money. Sure, the times and speeds are fantastic but what about the racing? Isn't that what it's all about? Whithout close racing it's just a numbers game.

By the way, are we on your press release distribution list now?

[CarbGuy]

Nick the problem is you will NEVER have parity in P/M with the different power adders, in different conditions. You never have, and never will. It’s never worked in any other class either! As I’ve said before (jokingly) it’s all Ted Jones fault if he never would have let that first blower car in we would be in this mess…;)

Seriously though back when Scotty was winning all of his championships. He was the ONLY blower car that could even qualify, yet he could put a tenth on the field at will (Yes he would kill an engine to do it) but you didn’t have that with anything else.

At this point the best we can hope for is individual classes where the racers are at least shooting for the same target.

[The Texas Speedsensor]

David Hance can you E-Mail me: Taylor_4111_et6@hotmail.com Thanks

[david hance]

I'm not trying to step on your toes Dave but what I'd really like to see is a series featuring legal Pro Modifieds with a set of rules that ensures parity and an entity dedicated to keeping it that way, a real Outlaw 10.5 class likewise with a set of rules to ensure no one combination dominates, True 10.5 (no whellie bars), ditto on the rules and a Top Sportsman class.

I'm getting pretty tired of these "outlaw" races that just invite people to spend more and more money. Sure, the times and speeds are fantastic but what about the racing? Isn't that what it's all about? Whithout close racing it's just a numbers game.

By the way, are we on your press release distribution list now?


Hello Nick and yes I'll be sure to get you on media list...

Nick there are no easy answers to the items you mentioned in your post...when you say "legal" pro mod deal with rules that is at times a "tall order"...allow me to explain...i've been in classes for years with rules and when you have a situation like that you damm well better be able to "POLICE" it with an competent tech staff. then there is the issue of scales and weights which tend to slow the process down and presents other issues as well as having to be staffed.

As for Parity IF I'm able to get something going here I would propose the following:

a) blower class
b) Nitrous class
c) Turbo pro mod class (if there is enough support for such)

Nick the strange thing about this new deal is we have interested sponsors...what we are lacking are dates & venues (which we are working on at this very moment). We are passionate about this deal and that is what is driving us at the moment!

[Nick]

Nick the problem is you will NEVER have parity in P/M with the different power adders, in different conditions. You never have, and never will. It’s never worked in any other class either! As I’ve said before (jokingly) it’s all Ted Jones fault if he never would have let that first blower car in we would be in this mess…;)

I don't believe in the word "never". All it takes is dedication. Sadly, that dedication is lacking.

Seriously though back when Scotty was winning all of his championships. He was the ONLY blower car that could even qualify, yet he could put a tenth on the field at will (Yes he would kill an engine to do it) but you didn’t have that with anything else.

Scotty didn't win all of his championships with blown cars and he didn't always have the only blown car that could qualify.

At this point the best we can hope for is individual classes where the racers are at least shooting for the same target.

So the answer is to kill off Pro Modified and have Pro Rootes, Pro Screw, Pro ProCharger, Pro Axial Flow, Pro Turbo, Pro Nitro, Pro Blown Nitro, Pro Nitrous, Pro Propane, etc?

What happened to just plain Pro Modified?

[Nick]

Hello Nick and yes I'll be sure to get you on media list...

Thanks Dave! :) It's news@fastdoorslammers.com.

Nick there are no easy answers to the items you mentioned in your post...when you say "legal" pro mod deal with rules that is at times a "tall order"...allow me to explain...i've been in classes for years with rules and when you have a situation like that you damm well better be able to "POLICE" it with an competent tech staff. then there is the issue of scales and weights which tend to slow the process down and presents other issues as well as having to be staffed.

I never said it would be easy and I didn't mean to imply that. It would require a competent tech man. As for scales, well you have to weigh them anyway to be sure the cars are certified for their performance and weight as part of the normal safety inspection don't you?

As for Parity IF I'm able to get something going here I would propose the following:

a) blower class
b) Nitrous class
c) Turbo pro mod class (if there is enough support for such)

So you propose three classes for cars that are normally classified as Pro Modifieds. I can see where this is headed. Soon there will be three classes for Outlaw 10.5, three classes for limited street, three classes for drag radial, etc. all because of a lack of desire to set rules and enforce them.

Oh well, I guess that's the latest fad.

Nick the strange thing about this new deal is we have interested sponsors...what we are lacking are dates & venues (which we are working on at this very moment). We are passionate about this deal and that is what is driving us at the moment!

I have no doubt that you have plenty of support from potential sponsors and I have no doubt that you will see plenty of support form fans and casual spectators too. And furthermore I wish you great success.

It's just not for guys like me. Guys like me like Pro Modified the way it's supposed to be. We like Pro Stock just fine like it is. We don't want to see multiple classes for cars that should be in one class. We like Top Sportsman too. We like REAL Outlaw 10.5, Limited Street, etc. We like Stock and Super Stock. We don't want to see more classes, we want to see more races! And we want to see 1/4 mile racing!

When someone figures out how to tap into that they will have a goldmine on their hands.

[david hance]

Very well spoken Nick...doorslammers are very lucky to have you....your points are well taken and I appreciate the imput.

[CarbGuy]

I don't believe in the word "never". All it takes is dedication. Sadly, that dedication is lacking.

I’ll disagree with this from a practicality, and cost standpoint. Different combinations have advantages in different track, and weather conditions. There is no way IMO and from my years of being around racing to do this fairly. You can realistically have one type of car with an advantage in the beginning of a session and another type have one by the end of the session. Without over tech’ing the classes I don’t see this being able to work. I’m not just judging this off of P/M, but comp, plus many of the oval track classes that try this, as well as my years of offshore power boat racing. The bottom line is if you want closer action you have to have tighter rules.


Scotty didn't win all of his championships with blown cars and he didn't always have the only blown car that could qualify.

The majority of his wins came in a blower car. Back in the early 90’s he was pretty much the only (Legal) blower car that was a threat to win when he rolled in the gate. I could pretty much tell you by looking in his trailer if we (the nitrous cars) were going to win. If he had enough engines in there we were all screwed if he didn’t a Nitrous car was more than likely going to win the race.



So the answer is to kill off Pro Modified and have Pro Rootes, Pro Screw, Pro ProCharger, Pro Axial Flow, Pro Turbo, Pro Nitro, Pro Blown Nitro, Pro Nitrous, Pro Propane, etc?

To be honest (and yes selfish cause this one still sticks in me) I could care less if another car with a blower ever pulled into a race track. Back in the early days of P/M you didn’t have ANY supercharger companies supporting the class. You had 3 carburetor companies, 4 or 5 fuel system companies, and I believe as many as 6 nitrous companies (plus tuners) supporting IHRA, yet with a simple gear or pulley change (out of legal spec for the time) the blower cars could run away from us. I saw no reason to give them ANYTHING. Now if we look at where we’re at today I don’t the majority of the manufactures that were supporting the class are gone because they weren’t being supported.


What happened to just plain Pro Modified?

I understand your point, as far as just plain old P/M racing. My issue is why would I have teams spend money on my parts or flying me to a race when I know unless something stupid happens that we shouldn’t be able to win. I would rather see the class split up, and at know that if you’re in the show you have a legitimate shot at winning the race.

As far as the little tire classes, and what not those I don’t see as big of an issue for the simple fact that they are tire/suspension limited, and they’ve shown for the most part to have more parity due to that.

[Nick]

Hmmm. Now you got me thinking, Doug.

[CarbGuy]

Hmmm. Now you got me thinking, Doug.

I thought I smelled smoke ;)

Seriously I love different combinations (I love Comp) but I've never seen it work where each combination has a fair shot each weekend.

[Nick]

Smoke now, fire later. :D

[ellis vial]

quote;carbguy said he could care less if another blower car pulled into the track;

Thats the problem now with low car counts,just because you chose to run a naturally aspairated engine or nitrious injected that is your choice,if you show up to a race that has combined the class you either run what you brought or you GO HOME!!!!All this complaining about "I CAN'T RUN AGAINST A BLOWER CAR"SUCKS!!
When i ran a Roots and a Automatic against Screws and a Clutch you never heard us cry,thats because I knew what I was against,and guess what, i still won races.
I do'nt care what I have brought to the track to race it has not been 1 time that I have showed up that I have felt I did'nt have a chance to win.
Ever heard of the saying?

"JUST SHUT UP AND RACE!!!!"
Ask Ricky Smith is he affraid to race Von!!!

p.s.
Dave get your series together,combine or seperate the classes and we will be there,I do'nt care who sponsors it or how long they do,we will support you and whoever sponsors it.We need places to race and the fewer rules{With the Exception of Safety}the better!!!

Ellis & Kim Vial Motorsports
Lonnie Houde Performance
Scott Filkens Racing
Fast Layne Racecars

[luxexpress]

[QUOTE=CarbGuy;12917] The majority of his wins came in a blower car. Back in the early 90’s he was pretty much the only (Legal) blower car that was a threat to win when he rolled in the gate. I could pretty much tell you by looking in his trailer if we (the nitrous cars) were going to win. If he had enough engines in there we were all screwed if he didn’t a Nitrous car was more than likely going to win the race.


First, I think you are shortchanging Oddy/Hahn, Kulmann, Randy Moore and Billes quite a bit with that statement. Second, I personally think Scotty dominated like he did because he simply outworked and out spent everyone else. He always was bringing out new cars, wasn't afraid to blow motors, and match raced to work on his combination virtually every weekend there wasn't a National Event. In my opinion, he earned every championship he got because of the above, not because he ran a blower. For as long as I live, whenever I think about Pro Modified, Scotty Cannon will be the first name that comes to my mind. To me, he was the one I used to root against because he was the best, period, not because he has a blower.

[luxexpress]

It's just not for guys like me. Guys like me like Pro Modified the way it's supposed to be. We like Pro Stock just fine like it is. We don't want to see multiple classes for cars that should be in one class. We like Top Sportsman too. We like REAL Outlaw 10.5, Limited Street, etc. We like Stock and Super Stock. We don't want to see more classes, we want to see more races! And we want to see 1/4 mile racing!

Gotta say I pretty much agree. I understand the rational for splitting the classes and the frustration racers must have with constant rule changes. However, to me, Pro Modified should be blower versus nitrous door cars. It should be highly regulated to ensure parity, as best as possible. As a fan, this makes it more interesting. Wasn't there a higher level of excitement in the IHRA this year when the nitrous cars were running right there with the blown cars. I personally found that much more interesting than anything going on with the ADRL. I think spliting the combinations just dilutes the class. The IHRA did the right thing, in my opinion, by giving both combinations a bit more during the offseason. However, if and when everyone starts strapping on screw blowers, any hope to see the heyday of blown versus nitrous at a high level will be gone. I don't know if anyone will want to run both roots and screw combinations, so we will probably be left with an IHRA Pro Mod that is either almost all nitrous, assuming they come back, or all screw supercharged. In either case, Pro Mod as I know it will be dead and I think that will be a real shame.

[JohnnyBme]

I don't believe in the word "never". All it takes is dedication. Sadly, that dedication is lacking.



Scotty didn't win all of his championships with blown cars and he didn't always have the only blown car that could qualify.



So the answer is to kill off Pro Modified and have Pro Rootes, Pro Screw, Pro ProCharger, Pro Axial Flow, Pro Turbo, Pro Nitro, Pro Blown Nitro, Pro Nitrous, Pro Propane, etc?

What happened to just plain Pro Modified?

It has evolved much like Pro Stock evolved into Pro Modified.

[CarbGuy]

quote;carbguy said he could care less if another blower car pulled into the track;

Thats the problem now with low car counts,just because you chose to run a naturally aspairated engine or nitrious injected that is your choice,if you show up to a race that has combined the class you either run what you brought or you GO HOME!!!!All this complaining about "I CAN'T RUN AGAINST A BLOWER CAR"SUCKS!!
When i ran a Roots and a Automatic against Screws and a Clutch you never heard us cry,thats because I knew what I was against,and guess what, i still won races.
I do'nt care what I have brought to the track to race it has not been 1 time that I have showed up that I have felt I did'nt have a chance to win.
Ever heard of the saying?

"JUST SHUT UP AND RACE!!!!"
Ask Ricky Smith is he affraid to race Von!!!

p.s.
Dave get your series together,combine or seperate the classes and we will be there,I do'nt care who sponsors it or how long they do,we will support you and whoever sponsors it.We need places to race and the fewer rules{With the Exception of Safety}the better!!!

Ellis & Kim Vial Motorsports
Lonnie Houde Performance
Scott Filkens Racing
Fast Layne Racecars

Yes a race is a race, and if you can make it to the starting line against another car a true racer will have a shot, but you honestly think that ____________(insert whomever you want) wants to go to the line knowing the car next to him (or her) can run a couple tenths quicker than they can you’re sadly mistaken.

Personally I think all racecars should have two doors, three pedals, and be manually shifted as well…:D

[CarbGuy]

First, I think you are shortchanging Oddy/Hahn, Kulmann, Randy Moore and Billes quite a bit with that statement. Second, I personally think Scotty dominated like he did because he simply outworked and out spent everyone else. He always was bringing out new cars, wasn't afraid to blow motors, and match raced to work on his combination virtually every weekend there wasn't a National Event. In my opinion, he earned every championship he got because of the above, not because he ran a blower. For as long as I live, whenever I think about Pro Modified, Scotty Cannon will be the first name that comes to my mind. To me, he was the one I used to root against because he was the best, period, not because he has a blower.



Yes and know. Scotty by far worked harder than most any other teams out there, and outspent everyone. My issue was the fact that he could put a tenth on the field at will (yes it would cost him an engine to do it) that was not parity. Not taking anything away from Jim & Fred, but they didn’t do it on the IHRA stage, they had good showings at Super Chevy, and USSC events but there was always a little controversy. While Randy’s a killer driver, and he had some good running cars he was never a dominant threat each and every time he pulled in the track. Al came along later (after his AFC days) Scotty had multiple rings by then.

[Nick]

Not taking anything away from Jim & Fred, but they didn’t do it on the IHRA stage, they had good showings at Super Chevy, and USSC events but there was always a little controversy.


Fred Hahn did go on to win the 2000 IHRA Pro Modified championship driving for Jim Oddy.

In fact Hahn and Oddy teamed up to win championships in Super Chevy, USSC and the NHRA exhibition deal.

[CarbGuy]

Fred Hahn did go on to win the 2000 IHRA Pro Modified championship driving for Jim Oddy.

In fact Hahn and Oddy teamed up to win championships in Super Chevy, USSC and the NHRA exhibition deal.


But that was after Scotty's days of dominance.

[ellis vial]

Yes a race is a race, and if you can make it to the starting line against another car a true racer will have a shot, but you honestly think that ____________(insert whomever you want) wants to go to the line knowing the car next to him (or her) can run a couple tenths quicker than they can you’re sadly mistaken.

Personally I think all racecars should have two doors, three pedals, and be manually shifted as well…:D

And our new car has all the above!!!IT DOE'S NOT HAVE CARBS!!!It has,2 doors,3 pedals, 21 injectors,2 Pumps,Clutch and 3 Buttons.I'm Damn sure not scared of Anybody!!!If I get beat today you would have to try it again next time!!
If I did'nt want to race I'd stay home!!!

Ellis & Kim Vial Motorsports
Lonnie Houde Performance
Scott Filkens Racing
Fast Layne Racecars

[Little Pierce]

Sounds like Ellis is ready to race.

Its a going to be an even tougher field in Pro Extreme.

[Jason Bunker]

Ellis, hows the car. Havent heard about it in a while?

[ellis vial]

It's almost done I was injured in a bad Boating accident and had to go thru alot of test and therapy.Layne says it's 2 weeks away.We won't be in Houston, but we will be in Georgia.We want to try and get you out there with us ,Lonnie has been busy working and finding Horsepower,I swear Layne has built one of the nicest cars I've ever owned,if it runs as good as it looks,it will be awsume!!
Jason give me a call when you can.

Ellis & Kim Vial Motorsports
Lonnie Houde Performance
Scott Filkens Racing
FastLane Racecars

[Jason Bunker]

Ellis, I do not have your number. Shoot me an e mail or something.

Thanks,

Jason

[ellis vial]

804-338-1978

[William Joseph]

Personally I think all racecars should have two doors, three pedals, and be manually shifted as well…:D

Brilliant... I hate buttons. Unless they are pneumatic and shift a lenco;)

[Grinder]

Looks like there might be a threat to Ronnie (THE KING OF SELF PROMOTION)Davis's throne:rolleyes:

[brucelee]

Who is self promoting?

[Nick]

The KING dethroned? :eek::eek::eek: