Harold Martin

[~~~IKE~~~]

Anyone knows if hes racing this year or not. I see that NG has moved their sponsorship elsewhere.

[Nick]

I really don't know what's up with Harold for this year.

[~~~IKE~~~]

I really don't know what's up with Harold for this year.

It would be a shame if he doesn't race this year, very smart and intelligent guy.

[Nick]

Yeah, very smart guy. Someone here must know something. :)

[CarbGuy]

Last I heard he was planning on racing. He's signed up for the ESTN in Valdosta next week.

[Nick]

Good to hear that. :)

[luxexpress]

Rumor is that his new car was rejected by the ADRL. Seems kinda weird that a car would be outlawed by an outlaw organization.:rolleyes:

[Nick]

Rumor is that his new car was rejected by the ADRL. Seems kinda weird that a car would be outlawed by an outlaw organization.:rolleyes:


Huh? I'm sorry, I understand the words you wrote but they don't make any sense the way you wrote them.

The "outlaw" organization outlawed his car?

Why, was it too Extreme? Ha, ha, ha, ha!

I crack me up. :D

[Danny]

Rumor is that his new car was rejected by the ADRL. Seems kinda weird that a car would be outlawed by an outlaw organization.:rolleyes:

KINDA??? Why they hatin' on Harold? Does his diaper not drag low enough?

[Nick]

KINDA??? Why they hatin' on Harold? Does his diaper not drag low enough?


Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark. :D

[Z]

Take a look at their new "rule" revisions. This should put to rest anyone's ideas that this is an outlaw series. They wanted to steal the IHRA's cars and stars. They got some but it's still a second class outfit. Think of it like "IHRA Light". Half the cars, half the stars, half the racing on half of the track. And probably not even half the safety as compared to IHRA. It's all fun and games 'til someone gets hurt. ADRL is an LLC. That means if someone gets hurt they just close the doors, rename the thing and carry on like nothing happened. Poof! The outfit is gone and there's no one to sue to seek compensation. Real classy.

[C.Step]

I heard he bought Mark Thomas' flopper and cut two doors out of the side. Kenny said "no way" and when MIke Baker heard that he said "hell yeah come on over we're gonna need all the cars we can get !":rolleyes:

[Nick]

A nitrous funny car? Heck, I'd like to see that! :D

[Nick]

After the last few years of watching Pro Modifieds with Funny Car engines I think it would be a nice change of pace to see Funny Cars with Pro Modified engines. :D

[Yvonne]

After the last few years of watching Pro Modifieds with Funny Car engines I think it would be a nice change of pace to see Funny Cars with Pro Modified engines. :D

Even more funny... a Funny Car engine in a Jet. Get it? Jet cars! You know... they have a jet engi..... OK maybe not that funny.

Side note: On Outlaw-type organizations outlawing cars; Never be fooled.... THERE ARE ALWAYS RULES. There are no racing orgs without them. ADRL or otherwise. This is why I laugh every time someone tries to recruit or advertise a heads-up event where they claim "no rules". It does not exist. The only way it could exist would be "exhibition" cars. Speaking of.... jet cars and those guys that drive the buses on two wheels with the sparklers. And I seriously doubt the jet car guy wants to run next to the sparkler guy so that puts the kabash on that theory as well. LOL

[cole474]

there is a pic of the car on promodifieds.us

[S Kel]

It was announced yesterday that it's a "2010 M4" created by Harold Martin and Martin Industries.

[Nick]

Story here (http://fastdoorslammers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2809).

[~~~IKE~~~]

Anyone know what series he will be concentrating on this year?? ADRL, IHRA, NHRA, other ???

[S Kel]

IMO, with a car like that, it won't be NHRA or IHRA...

[JCOOL]

After reading all the posts on several sites I can only assume that it was rejected because it is not a Manufactured car to be released by a Major Automaker. I think that this was a good move on the ADRL, if in fact they rejected it because if not they would have to approve the Outlaw NickJoe NJ1. Nick I am only going to release some of the details of our New Car. It has a Hydrogen Nitrous Oxide Alcohol Nitro Propane Electric 1400 cubic inch Power Plant. It produces no CO2 ad is Stabilized with Twin Uranium impregnated Mufflers. The Power plant only weighs 145 lbs and can be driven to the track while getting 54 MPG. It is Legal in California also. The body has a CD (Coefficent of Drag) number of .002 and only requires 22 HP to maintain 275 MPH. The Power Plant can Produce 4650 HP and with a Computer Assisted Power Regulator 60 Foot times of .350 are very conservative. The 1/8 Mile ET Projections are in the low 2.0 and 1/4 mile ET Projections are in the high 2.6 at over 500 MPH. :D:D:D

I guess the NJ1 will have to wait a couple of more years before we release it Nick......

[brucelee]

After reading all the posts on several sites I can only assume that it was rejected because it is not a Manufactured car to be released by a Major Automaker. I think that this was a good move on the ADRL, if in fact they rejected it because if not they would have to approve the Outlaw NickJoe NJ1. Nick I am only going to release some of the details of our New Car. It has a Hydrogen Nitrous Oxide Alcohol Nitro Propane Electric 1400 cubic inch Power Plant. It produces no CO2 ad is Stabilized with Twin Uranium impregnated Mufflers. The Power plant only weighs 145 lbs and can be driven to the track while getting 54 MPG. It is Legal in California also. The body has a CD (Coefficent of Drag) number of .002 and only requires 22 HP to maintain 275 MPH. The Power Plant can Produce 4650 HP and with a Computer Assisted Power Regulator 60 Foot times of .350 are very conservative. The 1/8 Mile ET Projections are in the low 2.0 and 1/4 mile ET Projections are in the high 2.6 at over 500 MPH. :D:D:D

I guess the NJ1 will have to wait a couple of more years before we release it Nick......


Sign me up for 2 Joe.

[Nick]

After reading all the posts on several sites I can only assume that it was rejected because it is not a Manufactured car to be released by a Major Automaker. I think that this was a good move on the ADRL, if in fact they rejected it because if not they would have to approve the Outlaw NickJoe NJ1. Nick I am only going to release some of the details of our New Car. It has a Hydrogen Nitrous Oxide Alcohol Nitro Propane Electric 1400 cubic inch Power Plant. It produces no CO2 ad is Stabilized with Twin Uranium impregnated Mufflers. The Power plant only weighs 145 lbs and can be driven to the track while getting 54 MPG. It is Legal in California also. The body has a CD (Coefficent of Drag) number of .002 and only requires 22 HP to maintain 275 MPH. The Power Plant can Produce 4650 HP and with a Computer Assisted Power Regulator 60 Foot times of .350 are very conservative. The 1/8 Mile ET Projections are in the low 2.0 and 1/4 mile ET Projections are in the high 2.6 at over 500 MPH. :D:D:D

I guess the NJ1 will have to wait a couple of more years before we release it Nick......


Yeah, let's give Harold's car a chance before we release it.


I'm glad you didn't tell 'em about the really trick stuff.

[~~~IKE~~~]

Bump

Now with the demise of IHRA's Pro Mod program, does anyone know his plans for the 10 season? Is he sitting out or coming out with a new (conventional) body.

[Frank Tamez]

After reading all the posts on several sites I can only assume that it was rejected because it is not a Manufactured car to be released by a Major Automaker. I think that this was a good move on the ADRL, if in fact they rejected it because if not they would have to approve the Outlaw NickJoe NJ1. Nick I am only going to release some of the details of our New Car. It has a Hydrogen Nitrous Oxide Alcohol Nitro Propane Electric 1400 cubic inch Power Plant. It produces no CO2 ad is Stabilized with Twin Uranium impregnated Mufflers. The Power plant only weighs 145 lbs and can be driven to the track while getting 54 MPG. It is Legal in California also. The body has a CD (Coefficent of Drag) number of .002 and only requires 22 HP to maintain 275 MPH. The Power Plant can Produce 4650 HP and with a Computer Assisted Power Regulator 60 Foot times of .350 are very conservative. The 1/8 Mile ET Projections are in the low 2.0 and 1/4 mile ET Projections are in the high 2.6 at over 500 MPH. :D:D:D

I guess the NJ1 will have to wait a couple of more years before we release it Nick......

But does it have a 500 watt 8 speaker sound system and Air Conditioning? With that et projection I would gladly give up a second and 100 mph for Air Conditioning............. Oh..... Almost forgot. You do plan to sell it for under 20 grand right? :D

[CarbGuy]

But does it have a 500 watt 8 speaker sound system and Air Conditioning? With that et projection I would gladly give up a second and 100 mph for Air Conditioning............. Oh..... Almost forgot. You do plan to sell it for under 20 grand right? :D

Frank, I think you forgot you need the seats with the "Magic" fingers :D

[JCOOL]

But does it have a 500 watt 8 speaker sound system and Air Conditioning? With that et projection I would gladly give up a second and 100 mph for Air Conditioning............. Oh..... Almost forgot. You do plan to sell it for under 20 grand right? :D

Frank,

First I don't want to beat a "Dead Horse" so I will not comment on the B.O.M {Burn out Machine}

With that said the NJ1 has run into a minor setback. Nick and I were negotiating with all the GM Dealers that got dropped last year and were pretty close to finalizing the deal. I mean Sales.Parts, NASA Certified Mechanics, the whole 9 yards. Now we hear last week the Government Owned GM is trying to reinstate a couple of hundred Dealers. Yes you guessed it, they must of heard of the NJ1 and went directly after the Dealers that Nick and I were working with......
This is only a minor setback but it turns out that we now know we have to work on the AC and the Magic Fingers seat options. I am sure that we can take this all in stride and go forward. Nick and I want to thank you for your continued interest and helpful suggestions in the NJ1.

Take care Frank and hope it is a Happy and Healthy New Year for you , your Family and Friends.

Joe

[dixiemod]

Frank,

First I don't want to beat a "Dead Horse" so I will not comment on the B.O.M {Burn out Machine}Joe

For you this seems a bit like the problem most have, when trying to quit smoking. :p

[1/8 mile fan]

Frank,

First I don't want to beat a "Dead Horse" so I will not comment on the B.O.M {Burn out Machine}

With that said the NJ1 has run into a minor setback. Nick and I were negotiating with all the GM Dealers that got dropped last year and were pretty close to finalizing the deal. I mean Sales.Parts, NASA Certified Mechanics, the whole 9 yards. Now we hear last week the Government Owned GM is trying to reinstate a couple of hundred Dealers. Yes you guessed it, they must of heard of the NJ1 and went directly after the Dealers that Nick and I were working with......
This is only a minor setback but it turns out that we now know we have to work on the AC and the Magic Fingers seat options. I am sure that we can take this all in stride and go forward. Nick and I want to thank you for your continued interest and helpful suggestions in the NJ1.

Take care Frank and hope it is a Happy and Healthy New Year for you , your Family and Friends.

Joe

WTF Joe:pyou mean Obama motors

[~~~IKE~~~]

Geez what a waste of time. I ask 1 question and get these BS responses. Fuckin done :(

James

[JCOOL]

Geez what a waste of time. I ask 1 question and get these BS responses. Fuckin done :(

James

James,

We responded to a post that you had nothing to do with.

I am a no BS person, so if you want to know about Harold's plans, instead of this "BS" as you posted, CALL HIM YOURSELF (248) 486-9613 Its a public number on his Website........... haroldmartin.com WOW.

Don't mean to be curt but if you read the posts we were discussing a new Project and it is entertainment to us not BS.

[Nick]

James, I think Joe's suggestion may be the best because I'm pretty sure that none of us here know what Harold's plans may be. With only one national touring series for Pro Modified left it seems to me to be very doubtful that he will continue to compete in the class but you never know. If you do get some info please share it with us.


Joe, you know a little setback like that isn't going to stop the NJ1. There are plenty of ex-Chrysler dealers beating down our doors wanting some of the action. :)

[JCOOL]

For you this seems a bit like the problem most have, when trying to quit smoking. :p

Dixiemod,

Hello. I guess you are right, that is a Great analogy.
Now with that said I am making this formal announcement, I am releasing a M4 PATCH, of course it is not accepted by any Medical Association !!!!!!

Although we do no know each other, I am a very opinionated person, sometimes good sometimes bad, sometimes facts, and sometimes fiction. For 18 years of my life a 1/4" over 1/8th of a mile was $40.000.00, that's the difference between winning and losing in Pro Stock.

Have a Happy and Healthy New Year.....

[dixiemod]

Dixiemod,
Now with that said I am making this formal announcement, I am releasing a M4 PATCH, of course it is not accepted by any Medical Association !!!!!!

I'll be waiting for it with baited breath. :D:D

[Nick]

Bump

Now with the demise of IHRA's Pro Mod program, does anyone know his plans for the 10 season? Is he sitting out or coming out with a new (conventional) body.



I just took a look at the entry list for the NHRA Gatornationals.


14 PM Ed Hoover Gilbert SC '63 Corvette Chev 706 TRUSSELL CONSTRUCTION
43 PM Rickie Smith King NC '68 Camaro Chev 864 RICKIE SMITH RACING
210 PM Jay Payne Claremont CA '68 ********* **** 522 *******************************************
213 PM Chip King Jr Roxboro NC '69 Daytona Dodg 526 *******************************************
217 PM Timothy Tindle Sr Santa Rosa Beach FL '67 Ford BAE 521 TIM TINDLE
272 PM Roger Burgess Duluth GA '67 Camaro BAE 526 PRO CARE RX
314 PM Ricky Stivers Lexington KY '06 Stratus BAE 526 STIVERS HVAC INC
327 PM Khalid Balooshi Brownsburg IN '09 ********* BAE KHALID BALOOSHI
377 PM Harold Martin New Hudson MI Haas GM 820 *******************************************
507 PM Melanie Troxel Avon IN '63 Corvette BAE 526 PRO CAR RX
802 PM Michael Gullqvist *************** '63 Corvette BAE 526 PRO CARE RX
872 PM Adam Flamholc *************** '07 Camaro Chry 526 ADAM FLAMHOLC
1088 PM Burton Auxier jr Dixie WV '68 Camaro Chev 855 AL ANABI RACING
1090 PM Raymond Commisso Toronto ON '68 Camaro BAE 526 PRO CARE RX
1152 PM Tony Pontieri Bolton ON '69 Camaro BAE 526 QUALITY PLUS COMPRESSORS
1456 PM Mike Janis Lancaster NY '67 Firebird BAE 526 *******************************************
1794 PM Mike Castellana Westbury NY '70 Camaro Chev 854 WESTERN BEEF SUPERMARKETS
1859 PM Tom Gray Jr Baltimore MD '68 Camaro BAE 526 THE UNDERTAKER
2103 PM Joe Baker Milton FL '68 Camaro BAE 521 BAKER HOMES
2377 PM Von Smith Oak Ridge TN '68 ********* **** 526 *******************************************
321A PM Scott Ray Greenville OH '53 Corvette BAE 521 OHIO CRANKSHAFT
3488 PM Brad Personett Elkhart IN '68 Camaro AJ 520 BIGSTUFF3
3994 PM Troy Coughlin Delaware OH '67 Camaro Chev 832 JEGS.COM
5011 PM Mike Knowles Grand Junction CO '09 Corvette BAE 526 MIKE KNOWLES
5012 PM Ken Lang Grand Pointe MB '53 Corvette BAE 526 PRO MOD
6294 PM Dennis Radford Baker OR '70 Duster Dodg 864 RADFORD TRUCKING CO
6695 PM Rick Distefano Calgary AB '70 Camaro **** 523 *******************************************
7390 PM Danny Rowe Laguna Hills CA '38 Chevy Chev 526 *******************************************

[1/8 mile fan]

I just took a look at the entry list for the NHRA Gatornationals.


14 PM Ed Hoover Gilbert SC '63 Corvette Chev 706 TRUSSELL CONSTRUCTION
43 PM Rickie Smith King NC '68 Camaro Chev 864 RICKIE SMITH RACING
210 PM Jay Payne Claremont CA '68 ********* **** 522 *******************************************
213 PM Chip King Jr Roxboro NC '69 Daytona Dodg 526 *******************************************
217 PM Timothy Tindle Sr Santa Rosa Beach FL '67 Ford BAE 521 TIM TINDLE
272 PM Roger Burgess Duluth GA '67 Camaro BAE 526 PRO CARE RX
314 PM Ricky Stivers Lexington KY '06 Stratus BAE 526 STIVERS HVAC INC
327 PM Khalid Balooshi Brownsburg IN '09 ********* BAE KHALID BALOOSHI
377 PM Harold Martin New Hudson MI Haas GM 820 *******************************************
507 PM Melanie Troxel Avon IN '63 Corvette BAE 526 PRO CAR RX
802 PM Michael Gullqvist *************** '63 Corvette BAE 526 PRO CARE RX
872 PM Adam Flamholc *************** '07 Camaro Chry 526 ADAM FLAMHOLC
1088 PM Burton Auxier jr Dixie WV '68 Camaro Chev 855 AL ANABI RACING
1090 PM Raymond Commisso Toronto ON '68 Camaro BAE 526 PRO CARE RX
1152 PM Tony Pontieri Bolton ON '69 Camaro BAE 526 QUALITY PLUS COMPRESSORS
1456 PM Mike Janis Lancaster NY '67 Firebird BAE 526 *******************************************
1794 PM Mike Castellana Westbury NY '70 Camaro Chev 854 WESTERN BEEF SUPERMARKETS
1859 PM Tom Gray Jr Baltimore MD '68 Camaro BAE 526 THE UNDERTAKER
2103 PM Joe Baker Milton FL '68 Camaro BAE 521 BAKER HOMES
2377 PM Von Smith Oak Ridge TN '68 ********* **** 526 *******************************************
321A PM Scott Ray Greenville OH '53 Corvette BAE 521 OHIO CRANKSHAFT
3488 PM Brad Personett Elkhart IN '68 Camaro AJ 520 BIGSTUFF3
3994 PM Troy Coughlin Delaware OH '67 Camaro Chev 832 JEGS.COM
5011 PM Mike Knowles Grand Junction CO '09 Corvette BAE 526 MIKE KNOWLES
5012 PM Ken Lang Grand Pointe MB '53 Corvette BAE 526 PRO MOD
6294 PM Dennis Radford Baker OR '70 Duster Dodg 864 RADFORD TRUCKING CO
6695 PM Rick Distefano Calgary AB '70 Camaro **** 523 *******************************************
7390 PM Danny Rowe Laguna Hills CA '38 Chevy Chev 526 *******************************************
hmm Danny Rowe 38 chevy and Rick D 70 camaro new cars??

[Nick]

Not sure about Danny but Ricky D. does have a new car.

[bae5s]

Some of these guys haven't updated their NHRA info in years. Hoover with a 706 :D

[~~~IKE~~~]

Some of these guys haven't updated their NHRA info in years. Hoover with a 706 :D

Now thats funny, LOL. Thanks for the update Nick, seems like others on diffrent sites don't like the 28th pick.

[Nick]

I can't understand why that would be. Harold has paid his dues and has been active in Pro Modified racing a lot longer than some I see on that list.

Those folks in Gainesville are in for a real treat when they see the wildest P/M to ever hit the track! :D

[1/8 mile fan]

I can't understand why that would be. Harold has paid his dues and has been active in Pro Modified racing a lot longer than some I see on that list.

Those folks in Gainesville are in for a real treat when they see the wildest P/M to ever hit the track! :D

but it only goes 6.20s I dont think it has alot more in it no offence

[JCOOL]

I can't understand why that would be. Harold has paid his dues and has been active in Pro Modified racing a lot longer than some I see on that list.

Those folks in Gainesville are in for a real treat when they see the wildest P/M to ever hit the track! :D

Be very careful Nick.... :eek: I heard they were going to use him for 2 things:

1. He was going to bring a couple of the M4 PRODUCTION CARS for NHRA Officials to use......... :eek: NOT

2. They needed to prep the track for the "REAL" Pro Mods and was going to use the M4 B.O.M. to do that (Fresh Rubber)....... :D

I also have inside Info that Sea Ray is interested in the Body Mold for a new 19' Boat Hull.

All kidding aside. He has a Great Haas Chassis, I hope he puts a REAL PRODUCTION AUTOMOBILE Body on it.

You know in 1982 when I was will Bill Jenkins someone was saying some bad stuff and Bill said " Don't worry about it Lupo. It doesn't matter what they are saying about you, as long as they are talking about you" I guess that applies here.

I don't know why they didn't take the Quickest and Fastest Fuel Injected Real Pro Mod, Pat Musi. Politics, Don't you love it. They didn't let a Fuel Injected car in that looks like a Car and has the possibility to win in for the Fans!!!!!

[JCOOL]

but it only goes 6.20s I dont think it has alot more in it no offence

I don't think it could run 6.20 with a chain hooked up to Larry Dixon pulling it !

[Lumpy]

Those folks in Gainesville are in for a real treat when they see the wildest P/M to ever hit the track! :D


Nyuk.... Nyuk.... Nyuk.....:D

[killerpromod]

Be very careful Nick.... :eek: I heard they were going to use him for 2 things:

1. He was going to bring a couple of the M4 PRODUCTION CARS for NHRA Officials to use......... :eek: NOT

2. They needed to prep the track for the "REAL" Pro Mods and was going to use the M4 B.O.M. to do that (Fresh Rubber)....... :D

I also have inside Info that Sea Ray is interested in the Body Mold for a new 19' Boat Hull.

All kidding aside. He has a Great Haas Chassis, I hope he puts a REAL PRODUCTION AUTOMOBILE Body on it.

You know in 1982 when I was will Bill Jenkins someone was saying some bad stuff and Bill said " Don't worry about it Lupo. It doesn't matter what they are saying about you, as long as they are talking about you" I guess that applies here.

I don't know why they didn't take the Quickest and Fastest Fuel Injected Real Pro Mod, Pat Musi. Politics, Don't you love it. They didn't let a Fuel Injected car in that looks like a Car and has the possibility to win in for the Fans!!!!!






Joe what did Harold do to you? Or do you just enjoy bashing him?

[Slammer Crew]

I don't know why they didn't take the Quickest and Fastest Fuel Injected Real Pro Mod, Pat Musi. Politics, Don't you love it. They didn't let a Fuel Injected car in that looks like a Car and has the possibility to win in for the Fans!!!!!

I do believe Personett has the quickest & fastest fuel injected real pro mod :), & if I do remember correctly Harold was the first over 230 in a nitrous car, guess you never know what he might show up with in Gainsville :)

[killerpromod]

I do believe Personett has the quickest & fastest fuel injected real pro mod :), & if I do remember correctly Harold was the first over 230 in a nitrous car, guess you never know what he might show up with in Gainsville :)

Thank you that was going to be my next post!

[JCOOL]

Joe what did Harold do to you? Or do you just enjoy bashing him?

Frank,
Hello. I am not bashing him. I am insulted that he tried to use the Racing Community to get exposure for a yet to be produced Production Automobile by trying to get a "Race" car body accepted. And then he goes to the only Organization that will accept it (IHRA), which no longer has that class. and proceeds to go to 5 Races and not get past 100 feet. The first time I saw a picture of the Rear I knew it wouldn't get down. I have been in the GM Wind Tunnel 3 times and what little I knew it was a death trap after 150 MPH . He has so many things at his disposal and he couldn't get that figured out???
So being the observant person I am, I suggest he gets some help. I then ran into my friend Jerry Haas and he wasn't happy so I went to all the Sites I posted and made a statement that he has a Great Haas Chassis, which it is.
I couldn't believe after all the BS he still can't get it to run.
Frank, 1 year later how many M4's have you seen on the road????
Like I stated before, Harold is a very talented man but from what we all see his Publicity and Racing skills are not his strong points.
I do have some issues with him but that will never come from my keyboard for everyone to read.
I hope I cleared up the Bashing idea with factual information.

[JCOOL]

I do believe Personett has the quickest & fastest fuel injected real pro mod :), & if I do remember correctly Harold was the first over 230 in a nitrous car, guess you never know what he might show up with in Gainsville :)


Sorry... Brad is Bad I meant to state "Fuel Injected Nitrous Pro Mod Car. Non Turbo". And anytime he wants a match Race with another Fuel Injected Nitrous Pro Mod car call me (336) 253-0092

[Nick]

Being the optimist that I am, I hope Harold goes out to G-Ville and does well with his M4. :)

[JCOOL]

Being the optimist that I am, I hope Harold goes out to G-Ville and does well with his M4. :)

Nick,
No matter how he does it will be both the Best and Worst M4 because there is only ONE !!!!!!!!

[Nick]

And then he goes to the only Organization that will accept it (IHRA), which no longer has that class. and proceeds to go to 5 Races and not get past 100 feet.


Well at least he was out there. I've got to say that as an IHRA fan I applaud everyone who raced in the series last year. They gave us IHRA Pro Modified fans a good show and something to cheer about unlike the others who chose to abandon IHRA fans and race somewhere else.

[killerpromod]

Frank,
Hello. I am not bashing him. I am insulted that he tried to use the Racing Community to get exposure for a yet to be produced Production Automobile by trying to get a "Race" car body accepted. And then he goes to the only Organization that will accept it (IHRA), which no longer has that class. and proceeds to go to 5 Races and not get past 100 feet. The first time I saw a picture of the Rear I knew it wouldn't get down. I have been in the GM Wind Tunnel 3 times and what little I knew it was a death trap after 150 MPH . He has so many things at his disposal and he couldn't get that figured out???
So being the observant person I am, I suggest he gets some help. I then ran into my friend Jerry Haas and he wasn't happy so I went to all the Sites I posted and made a statement that he has a Great Haas Chassis, which it is.
I couldn't believe after all the BS he still can't get it to run.
Frank, 1 year later how many M4's have you seen on the road????
Like I stated before, Harold is a very talented man but from what we all see his Publicity and Racing skills are not his strong points.
I do have some issues with him but that will never come from my keyboard for everyone to read.
I hope I cleared up the Bashing idea with factual information.


Thank you Joe for clearing that up.


I understand what you are saying about the car and agree with you on them.


Stevie Wonder could see you have issues with him other then the car:D

[Nick]

Nick,
No matter how he does it will be both the Best and Worst M4 because there is only ONE !!!!!!!!


If he builds another one I would gladly be his team mate.

After I got driving lessons from Joe Cool of course. :cool:

[JCOOL]

Well at least he was out there. I've got to say that as an IHRA fan I applaud everyone who raced in the series last year. They gave us IHRA Pro Modified fans a good show and something to cheer about unlike the others who chose to abandon IHRA fans and race somewhere else.

Touche' Nick. I have to agree with you 10000000%., but don't get used to that Goombah :D

[JCOOL]

If he builds another one I would gladly be his team mate.

After I got driving lessons from Joe Cool of course. :cool:

OK Nick I'm going to go for the Kleenex if you don't stop now :o

[Nick]

Touche' Nick. I have to agree with you 10000000%., but don't get used to that Goombah :D


I'd be worried if we agreed on everything Joe. :D

[~~~IKE~~~]

Frank,
Hello. I am not bashing him. I am insulted that he tried to use the Racing Community to get exposure for a yet to be produced Production Automobile by trying to get a "Race" car body accepted. And then he goes to the only Organization that will accept it (IHRA), which no longer has that class. and proceeds to go to 5 Races and not get past 100 feet. The first time I saw a picture of the Rear I knew it wouldn't get down. I have been in the GM Wind Tunnel 3 times and what little I knew it was a death trap after 150 MPH . He has so many things at his disposal and he couldn't get that figured out???
So being the observant person I am, I suggest he gets some help. I then ran into my friend Jerry Haas and he wasn't happy so I went to all the Sites I posted and made a statement that he has a Great Haas Chassis, which it is.
I couldn't believe after all the BS he still can't get it to run.
Frank, 1 year later how many M4's have you seen on the road????
Like I stated before, Harold is a very talented man but from what we all see his Publicity and Racing skills are not his strong points.
I do have some issues with him but that will never come from my keyboard for everyone to read.
I hope I cleared up the Bashing idea with factual information.

Thanks for your BS post, now what did you build in the last few years thats even worth talking about, smart guy:(

[1/8 mile fan]

Be very careful Nick.... :eek: I heard they were going to use him for 2 things:

1. He was going to bring a couple of the M4 PRODUCTION CARS for NHRA Officials to use......... :eek: NOT

2. They needed to prep the track for the "REAL" Pro Mods and was going to use the M4 B.O.M. to do that (Fresh Rubber)....... :D

I also have inside Info that Sea Ray is interested in the Body Mold for a new 19' Boat Hull.

All kidding aside. He has a Great Haas Chassis, I hope he puts a REAL PRODUCTION AUTOMOBILE Body on it.

You know in 1982 when I was will Bill Jenkins someone was saying some bad stuff and Bill said " Don't worry about it Lupo. It doesn't matter what they are saying about you, as long as they are talking about you" I guess that applies here.

I don't know why they didn't take the Quickest and Fastest Fuel Injected Real Pro Mod, Pat Musi. Politics, Don't you love it. They didn't let a Fuel Injected car in that looks like a Car and has the possibility to win in for the Fans!!!!!

WTF I was sure Musi would get in after that pass! of course I didnt know Pat was trying to get in though

[1/8 mile fan]

Sorry... Brad is Bad I meant to state "Fuel Injected Nitrous Pro Mod Car. Non Turbo". And anytime he wants a match Race with another Fuel Injected Nitrous Pro Mod car call me (336) 253-0092

Brad is bad Joe love that car Joe and that would be a badass matchrace!!

[PMKREW]

Pat Musi is trying to run pro mod again? I thought he was a pro street racer?

[JCOOL]

Thanks for your BS post, now what did you build in the last few years thats even worth talking about, smart guy:(

James,
You got me there. I don't think ANYBODY BUILT A BETTER "BURN OUT MACHINE" (B.O.M.) than Harold.
But my wife would have qualified at all the IHRA Races he did in the short fields with either my XJS Jaguar, my 750IL BMW, my Lamborghini Countach, my Eldorado ETC {450 HP Front wheels}, my XJ-12, my XJ-6, my Dodge Dakota Quad Cab (v-6), or any of my other 9 Cars even my Beater 98 Bonneville with a 3800 V-6 and 172,000 miles. All PRODUCTION CARS NOT WANT A BE PRODUCTION BS
I Tune cars for a living now James and lets see April this year in Qatar I set up and Tuned a Older Haas Corvette with a 800 plus Fulton that went 6.33 1st run, 6.23 2nd run and .961, 2.59, 3.95 6.08 on the third run.
Not to brag but I just got back from Bahrain 10 days ago and Tuned a Street v-8 Mustang and won, went 8.47, 8 thenths quicker than the nearest Competitor, a 10.5 Outlaw Mustang that made the first 6 second pass at that Track, 6.95 and won, and Tuned a PAT MUSI FUEL INJECTED Haas Corvette with a Lencodrive and won in PRO MOD.
Nobody has ever Tuned 3 different Cars in 3 different Classes and won with all three in Bahrain or any Track that I am aware of.
That's not BS they are FACTS. I am sure that myself along with a lot of other people could have helped Harold get that B.O.M. down the Track but he couldn't see the "Forest for the B.O.M".
James, you don't go and have all this Publicity and Controversy with a "Non Production" Vehicle and not run without anyone "Reacting" to the Results or lack there of. His Production Grand Am was a "PRODUCTION" Race car and went quicker and faster. So who was the BS in this deal? Let me give you a Clue, his initials are HM.
Look at his website he has the Performance Records of his 2006 Grand Am and the Pictures of his M4 B.O.M. NOW THAT IS BS
http://www.haroldmartin.com/rcar.html
So I hope I cleared up your questions about BS and you can see who is the BS B.O.M.
James, this is entertainment and I hope you don't take this reply offensive, it is not meant to be.

[JCOOL]

Pat Musi is trying to run pro mod again? I thought he was a pro street racer?

Kevin,
Pat is running Pro Mod with a Bickle Stratus owned by Frank from Curacao with his 903 Fuel Injected Engine. They tested in Bradenton 2 weeks ago and unloaded with a 3.94 191.00 then went 5.99 at 236.20 and put it in the Trailer.

[PMKREW]

Nice to see another nitrous injected pro mod racer out there! What series does he intend to compete in?

[JCOOL]

Nice to see another nitrous injected pro mod racer out there! What series does he intend to compete in?

Kevin,
He was trying to get into Gainesville but that didn't work, He is going to ADRL in Houston for sure. He has a Match Race against Tony Christian at PBIR in March also.:eek:

[Grinder]

I Tune cars for a living now James and lets see April this year in Qatar I set up and Tuned a Older Haas Corvette with a 800 plus Fulton that went 6.33 1st run, 6.23 2nd run and .961, 2.59, 3.95 6.08 on the third run.Joe don't get to worked up because I want you to tune my 800 plus Fulton to the same performance and I will be HAPPY:)

[JCOOL]

I Tune cars for a living now James and lets see April this year in Qatar I set up and Tuned a Older Haas Corvette with a 800 plus Fulton that went 6.33 1st run, 6.23 2nd run and .961, 2.59, 3.95 6.08 on the third run.Joe don't get to worked up because I want you to tune my 800 plus Fulton to the same performance and I will be HAPPY:)

Bob,
Call me when you are ready. I look forward to working with you. (336) 253-0092
If you don't go fast you don't pay.

[killerpromod]

Kevin,
Pat is running Pro Mod with a Bickle Stratus owned by Frank from Curacao with his 903 Fuel Injected Engine. They tested in Bradenton 2 weeks ago and unloaded with a 3.94 191.00 then went 5.99 at 236.20 and put it in the Trailer.



He sure did, Wasn't Rickie Smith helping him there? Yes they sure did put it in the trailer.

[luxexpress]

Say what you will, but Harold's car will likely get more interest at Gainesville than any of the other cars.:cool:

[Lumpy]

Say what you will, but Harold's car will likely get more interest at Gainesville than any of the other cars.:cool:



Daddy...... look at that car, it's different. Why doesn't it look like any of the other cars??

Well son..... that's Harold Martin' M4..... for some reason the production body rules don't apply.

That's not fair is it daddy?

It wouldn't seem so son..... it doesn't matter though, the car isn't very competative.......but it does a great burn out.........:D

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[dixiemod]

This thread ought to be renamed the BS B.O.M. thread. :p
Funny stuff & Harold likely could give a s**t anyway.

[Nick]

After reading all the posts on several sites I can only assume that it was rejected because it is not a Manufactured car to be released by a Major Automaker.

He was going to bring a couple of the M4 PRODUCTION CARS for NHRA Officials to use.........

I hope he puts a REAL PRODUCTION AUTOMOBILE Body on it.

Frank,
Hello. I am not bashing him. I am insulted that he tried to use the Racing Community to get exposure for a yet to be produced Production Automobile by trying to get a "Race" car body accepted.

All PRODUCTION CARS NOT WANT A BE PRODUCTION BS

James, you don't go and have all this Publicity and Controversy with a "Non Production" Vehicle and not run without anyone "Reacting" to the Results or lack there of. His Production Grand Am was a "PRODUCTION" Race car and went quicker and faster. So who was the BS in this deal? Let me give you a Clue, his initials are HM.



Okay students class is in session. Please take your seats.

Welcome to Remedial Rulebook Reading Comprehesion. My name is Professor Nick and I'll be conducting this class.

Okay class open your copy of the IHRA 2009 Official Rulebook to page 18, the Pro Modified section.

Here we find the general outline of the class and the body requirements.

Now can anyone point out the requirement for a "production" body?

Anyone?

Anyone?

You can't, can you?

Do you know why?

That's right, because there is no such requirement.

And do you know why that is?

Anyone?

That's right, it's because the class isn't Stock, Super Stock, Modified, Competition, Pro Stock or any other class. It's Pro Modified and there is no language in the rulebook pertaining to "production" bodies.


Face it Joe, if you object to Harold's M4 solely on the basis of it's production status you have no foundation for an objection at all. None. The M4 was 100% within the rules as written.

You may argue the merits of its aerodynamics, its looks, its paint or pretty much anything else. But the fact is that it was and is perfectly legal for Pro Modified whether you or I or anyone else likes it or not.

I'm not trying to be an ass here but I felt a need to point this fact out.

[david hance]

Gainsville is going to be one tough field to get into...can't wait to see the final qualifying sheets.

[Lumpy]

Okay students class is in session. Please take your seats.

Welcome to Remedial Rulebook Reading Comprehesion. My name is Professor Nick and I'll be conducting this class.

Okay class open your copy of the IHRA 2009 Official Rulebook to page 18, the Pro Modified section.

Here we find the general outline of the class and the body requirements.

Now can anyone point out the requirement for a "production" body?

Anyone?

Anyone?

You can't, can you?

Do you know why?

That's right, because there is no such requirement.

And do you know why that is?

Anyone?

That's right, it's because the class isn't Stock, Super Stock, Modified, Competition, Pro Stock or any other class. It's Pro Modified and there is no language in the rulebook pertaining to "production" bodies.


Face it Joe, if you object to Harold's M4 solely on the basis of it's production status you have no foundation for an objection at all. None. The M4 was 100% within the rules as written.

You may argue the merits of its aerodynamics, its looks, its paint or pretty much anything else. But the fact is that it was and is perfectly legal for Pro Modified whether you or I or anyone else likes it or not.

I'm not trying to be an ass here but I felt a need to point this fact out.


So then why did Harold say the following in this (http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9132&Itemid=24) Complus article.....

Pro Modified rules dictate that a car must bear the likeness of a production model, although the rulebook doesn’t put a limit on the number of production cars a manufacturer must produce.

http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9132&Itemid=24

[Nizmech]

"The accomplished Pro Modified driver from New Hudson, MI., has rolled out his first four production vehicles from his Martin Technologies production facility. However, it might just be the fifth car that draws the most attention for now."



In the press release he has stated it is the 5th not the 1st car, do these 1st four cars exist somewhere?
Maybe they have gone the way of a lot of prototypes, to the scrape yard.
I have been curious as to what the production car looked like.

[C.Step]

I do not have the current nhra/gsa rules for 2010 in front of me so I can only assume that the rules for a body based off of a factory production are non existant, or Harold re-skinned his car to a more conventional body to get an invite.
If the m4 is ok to race the consequences of what may happen in the near future need to be addressed. Lets just say for instance that someone involved in p/m that money is a non issue (maybee runs a small country or something like that) decides to build the most aero doorstop or whatever with doors promod has ever seen . Will those of you who are ok with the m4 now be ok with that then ? Will the crying start that its not in the spirit of what the class was, they look like funny cars ,or exct.....

[Frank Tamez]

I suppose the arguement could be made that his car. Even if it is the only one in existence. Was "Produced". He may fully intend to produce more. Now. If only he can convince somebody to actually buy one.

I do wish him luck. Even if it will be. In my opinion. The ugliest Pro Mod on the property.

[Nick]

So then why did Harold say the following in this (http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9132&Itemid=24) Complus article.....



http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9132&Itemid=24


I have no idea why he would say that. Besides, his comment is irrelevant. The rulebook is the final word.


http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu211/outlawfds/RB1.jpg

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu211/outlawfds/RB2.jpg

[Lumpy]

First off.....

"All coupe and sedan body styles must be model year 2000 or older".... Does this refer to production model year??? Does the M4 qualify under this criteria?

Secondly....

"Light weight aftermarket replica body components permitted as long as same appearance is retained for body being used"..... Doesn't a body need to be "produced" before replica body parts can be replicated???

And finally....

"Rear wing or spoiler may not be higher than the roof unless OEM was higher".... Doesn't OEM mean Original Equipment Manufacturer..... you know, Ford, Gm, Chrysler, Toyota, etc....

[Nick]

1. The 2010 M4 is a two seater sports car. It has the same model year exemption as a Corvette or Viper.

2. How do you know that the body is a replica? It may be an original for all we know.

3. OEM as in Martin.

[Gordon Nelson]

Sorry Nick I’m not trying to be an ass here either but, it is right there in the rule you posted. “Light weight aftermarket replica body components permitted as long as same appearance is retained for body being used”. This statement leads me to believe that as long as I keep the same “appearance” as an existing car it can be used. In this case I have no other car to compare it to.

I haven’t posted or to the best of my recollection even said a word about this “body” to anyone for over a year now. But I think now the time has come.

As someone who has had to put up with the flat out bullshit from the HRA’s over body modifications for the last 30 years to see this “car” allowed on the track is a slap in the face! Not only to our company but to anyone who manufactures drag racing bodies. I have nothing against Mr. Martin at all here. I think he is one hell of a nice guy and a fine racer but as far as I’m concerned if this M4 thing is going to be allowed then bar the door buddy I’ve got all kinds of “cars” in my mind I could build for pro mod…uh I mean for sell to the general public…..

[Lumpy]

1. The 2010 M4 is a two seater sports car. It has the same model year exemption as a Corvette or Viper.

2. How do you know that the body is a replica? It may be an original for all we know.

3. OEM as in Martin.



1. I'll give ya that one.

2. Weak

3. B.S.

[Nick]

Sorry Nick I’m not trying to be an ass here either but, it is right there in the rule you posted. “Light weight aftermarket replica body components permitted as long as same appearance is retained for body being used”. This statement leads me to believe that as long as I keep the same “appearance” as an existing car it can be used. In this case I have no other car to compare it to.


You know, of all the piss poor decisions that have been made in Pro Modified over the years (Banning late model cars, allowing billet head supercharged hemi's, etc.) I find it odd that such a fuss is being made over the M4.

As far as "same appearance" goes, how do you feel about the Cynergy '70 Camaro? To me it doesn't look anything like a Camaro. It looks like a wierd, distorted Camaro-like front end grafted onto a Stratus. It's a Dodge from the firewall back. There's other examples but you get my point.

As far as I'm concerned the big money Pro Modified series (GSA) has turned into something I can't even relate to anymore. The costs are out of control and so are the speeds and ET's. Same goes for the so-called "outlaw" ADRL. 2010 may be the last year that any small time (1/2 million to 1.5 million budget) racer may have even a small chance to win a major championship. After this year it's all going to belong to the big money boys. I truly believe that. And I will lose what little interest I have left.

So to me Harold's M4 is just a small drop in the bucket. At least it looks cool which is far more than I can say about many of the cars I see today.

[JCOOL]

Face it Joe, if you object to Harold's M4 solely on the basis of it's production status you have no foundation for an objection at all. None. The M4 was 100% within the rules as written.

You may argue the merits of its aerodynamics, its looks, its paint or pretty much anything else. But the fact is that it was and is perfectly legal for Pro Modified whether you or I or anyone else likes it or not.

I'm not trying to be an ass here but I felt a need to point this fact out.

Nick,
I never had any objection to him running his car in IHRA. My posts were all about him trying to get NHRA and ADRL to accept a non production Body, and how he used the controversy to advertise for his yet to be seen M4. It was an insult to the Racing community. Then to add insult to injury he doesn't do his Homework and the thing is a Stone. Go to his sight, he lists the Performance of his Grand Am with the pictures of the M4 B.O.M.

http://www.haroldmartin.com/rcar.html

That is BS.


Thank you for the lesson on the IHRA but I never had a problem.

I will make a statement that I do have a chip on my shoulder because you know I Tune a lot of Pat Musi Built Fuel Injection Engines, he actually has Customers that can buy FI engines, and I have won Races, Qualified #1 and so on . Pat just ran 3.94/191.20 and 5.99/236.20 and they think that Harold is the Fuel Injection Wizard. What Yellow Brick Road is he on ???? We are not in Michigan anymore Todo.

If anyone want they can call me and I will tell you a Story about how Harold Martin couldn't afford me. You know I said I wasn't going to do it but here we go.

The first time I worked with Pat was 5 years ago at Farmington. It was the 1st Nitrous car I worked on. He went out and made 3 runs in the 57 and said that was it now it was my turn. After 5 runs that day and 6 runs the next day the car was running .99 60' from 1.03 and ran 4.08 from 4.16. we were both happy. My Pro Stock Clutch and Chassis stuff worked with Nitrous.

We went to Rockingham three day later and ran Harold in Qualifying. He ran 1.04 60' and shook and Pat ran .996 and turned a sprag. His Crew guy came to me next qualifying run and said Harold was looking to hire someone and I should talk to him. I told him Harold couldn't afford me. He also insinuated that the .996 was bogus. That run Pat ran .992. the next day I showed his crew guy the .992 and told him it wasn't bogus. Harold came up to me and asked me why I told his Crew guy he couldn't afford me and asked me how much I charged. When I told him he said I was crazy and my reply to him was "See I told you you couldn't afford me"

Anyway that is where it all started and being Pat's friend we all know there is no love lost between him and Harold.

Pat is the reason Fuel Injection Engines are and will be competitive in Pro Mod, Pro Street and so on. Nobody else even comes close yet, Harold included.

That is my story and my opinions are included and are not meant to be offensive or disrespectful just factual. My facts of course.

[Nick]

You know, to someone on the outside this thread might look like endless bickering. But I think everyone has probably learned a little something here. :cool:

[JCOOL]

Sorry Nick I’m not trying to be an ass here either but, it is right there in the rule you posted. “Light weight aftermarket replica body components permitted as long as same appearance is retained for body being used”. This statement leads me to believe that as long as I keep the same “appearance” as an existing car it can be used. In this case I have no other car to compare it to.

I haven’t posted or to the best of my recollection even said a word about this “body” to anyone for over a year now. But I think now the time has come.

As someone who has had to put up with the flat out bullshit from the HRA’s over body modifications for the last 30 years to see this “car” allowed on the track is a slap in the face! Not only to our company but to anyone who manufactures drag racing bodies. I have nothing against Mr. Martin at all here. I think he is one hell of a nice guy and a fine racer but as far as I’m concerned if this M4 thing is going to be allowed then bar the door buddy I’ve got all kinds of “cars” in my mind I could build for pro mod…uh I mean for sell to the general public…..

Gordon,
Nicely put and I couldn't agree with you more. This whole thing has been a festering boil and it needs to be lanced. You have given a new perspective on how this affect even your Business.

Looking forward to seeing you in the near future. I am pretty sure that we could interest someone about a new Production Body to be built in Qatar.:D

Regards :p:D:p

[JCOOL]

You know, to someone on the outside this thread might look like endless bickering. But I think everyone has probably learned a little something here. :cool:

Nick,
This is the 2nd time in as many days we are going to agree. I am done posting on this now that I got it all of my chest.

Thanks and looking forward to seeing you this year.

[Nick]

I hope so Joe but I think my travelling is going to be limited this year. Still, you never know. :cool:

[Gordon Nelson]

I’m afraid your right nick. The big money has already taken over the class. And the pro mod class of old will never return(on a national level). With speeds reaching the 250 mph range becoming the norm more and more changes are going to have to be made just to keep the cars safe to drive. I know this because we have “been there, done that” back in the day when we were “the” people to go to for funny car bodies. Funny things start to happen to a car in the 250”s and only gets worst in the 260’s so changes have to be made.

Funny thing is we saw this coming years ago when overhang rules kept getting longer and longer, no ride height rule put into place, narrow as much as you want and on and on. IF you build a car on the written rules you posted what you end up with is our 68 or 69 Camaro (which is now shipping…call today:)). A stretched out wedge that kind of looks like a car you saw on the road years ago. I think I’ve told you privately that I don’t even like the look of our front ends, but the 45” over hang rule is there for safety reasons so you build to it. Mark my work Nick in the next 4 to 5 years the max wheelbase will be opened up to 120” for pro mod. It will have to be just to keep it safe. Before you know it you will have funny car bodies with doors. (been there done that too…where do you think TM got them from)

As far as the Cynergy '70 Camaro. No comment! I just thank you for using them as the example and not our 41 Willy’s. (Oh hell no did I say that out loud)

[Gordon Nelson]

Gordon,
Nicely put and I couldn't agree with you more. This whole thing has been a festering boil and it needs to be lanced. You have given a new perspective on how this affect even your Business.

Looking forward to seeing you in the near future. I am pretty sure that we could interest someone about a new Production Body to be built in Qatar.:D

Regards :p:D:p

You really need to call and talk to the crazy 'ol man (Harry) I know he would really get a kick out of that. He's still there every day (Sandra too) and a call from an old friend always get him away from me for a while!:D

[Nick]

I see it coming too Gordon. Heck, they're halfway to being funny cars now.

That's why I'm getting more and more back to the roots. Stock, Super Stock, Pro Stock Top Sportsman and the regional Pro Mod groups. That's pretty much where it's at for me.

I'm dating myself here but I do remember when Hairy Glass and Fiberglass Trends were the two big guns in fiberglass race bodies.

Perhaps it's because we've been around so long that we can see where this is heading. Again.

[Annette Summer]

Pat is the reason Fuel Injection Engines are and will be competitive in Pro Mod, Pro Street and so on. Nobody else even comes close yet, Harold included.

That is my story and my opinions are included and are not meant to be offensive or disrespectful just factual. My facts of course.

HMMMM...I remember things a little different. Bob Rieger had Duttweiler do his Fuel injection with motec and handed everybody there ass on a silver platter in pro street. Pat , Tony and myself included.

[luxexpress]

Seems like Harold finished in the top ten in the IHRA points several times over the past 10 years or so with his fuel injection, I know he was at least 3rd one year, so I'm not sure how one could say he hasn't had success with it. As a fan of Pro Mod racing, when I think of nitrous fuel injected Pro Mods, Harold Martin is the first name that comes to mind. Sure he didn't run very well last year, but I think it was more due to problems with the new car than his engine. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets back to running well this year.

[JCOOL]

HMMMM...I remember things a little different. Bob Rieger had Duttweiler do his Fuel injection with motec and handed everybody there ass on a silver platter in pro street. Pat , Tony and myself included.

Annette,
I guess you forgot is was TURBO CHARGED :p. I am talking NORMALLY ASPIRATED. Kenny is a good friend of mine and any Turbo he touches is BAD. But N/A Fuel Injection Pat is the man.
Hope you are doing well and give my best to your Better Half.

[Yvonne]

I see it coming too Gordon. Heck, they're halfway to being funny cars now.

That's why I'm getting more and more back to the roots. Stock, Super Stock, Pro Stock Top Sportsman and the regional Pro Mod groups. That's pretty much where it's at for me.

I'm dating myself here but I do remember when Hairy Glass and Fiberglass Trends were the two big guns in fiberglass race bodies.

Perhaps it's because we've been around so long that we can see where this is heading. Again.


Nick, I realize I haven't been around as long as you or Klass or some of the other highly experienced and respected voices in drag racing but I want to say don't give up on the "newer" cars just yet. I think its great to talk about the good 'ol days but as a driver I would never want to go back there. The pioneers of drag racing endured horrendous conditions that resulted in more burned flesh (or worse) then anybody ever anticipated. Their efforts are what has brought us to a now more advanced and SAFER environment in which to do what we love. We owe a holy homage to the race teams of yesterdays BUT I, for one am still excited to see our sport going in positive directions. Yes the speeds are extreme as are the budgets. But as a small time racer myself I still make the same kind of sacrifices to do what I love as did the racers back in the 60's and 70's. In fact I think if you compared what the dollar was worth and salaries then and now the budgets would probably be comparable (although I'm no math genius). I applaud the amazing skills of so many in the tire, fuel, nitrous, blower, suspension and body fields that have contributed then and NOW to so many amazing feats we've seen. If you try to stifle growth then you also stifle spirit. And drag racers are spirited if nothing else! I guess what I'm saying is for those of us that were too young to drive in the 70's I hope you give us a chance to dazzle you now. Why? Because I believe we will have a lot to reminisce about in 30 years too along with having something to be proud of. And if you keep watching then you too will be able to say "I remember when".....

[JCOOL]

Seems like Harold finished in the top ten in the IHRA points several times over the past 10 years or so with his fuel injection, I know he was at least 3rd one year, so I'm not sure how one could say he hasn't had success with it. As a fan of Pro Mod racing, when I think of nitrous fuel injected Pro Mods, Harold Martin is the first name that comes to mind. Sure he didn't run very well last year, but I think it was more due to problems with the new car than his engine. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets back to running well this year.

Aaron,
You are right about Harold but I think Pat won 7 CHAMPIONSHIPS and I think that means 1ST in the points.
We all have are favorites and I make my living Tuning MUSI, Fulton, Buck, PAR, etc.
The other thing I noticed is that for such a "Wiizard" why doesn't he update his Website? He has nothing to do with the National Guard anymore....That's right all it would have is the New Sponsors he has.....Himself.
I am glad he has Fans because that's what keeps Drag Racing alive. I have no problem with Harold other than the M4 Scam he brought to the Racing Community.

[~~~IKE~~~]

Joe, what has Pat done in NHRA or IHRA, I think that is the biggest point here. 7 Championships, not bad though. Sounds like you're grinding an axe. :confused:

[JCOOL]

Joe, what has Pat done in NHRA or IHRA, I think that is the biggest point here. 7 Championships, not bad though. Sounds like you're grinding an axe. :confused:

James,
Can't argue with that. But while I'm grinding I did set the IHRA and ET National Records in Pro Stock! And 1982-1985 only RMS and I finished in the Top Ten in Both NHRA and IHRA in Pro Stock. Wahoooo.
Pat is my friend and Business Associate and I will go to bat for him everyday as he would for me. :p
Thanks for putting me in perspective sometimes I need that!

Take care.

[luxexpress]

Joe, what has Pat done in NHRA or IHRA, I think that is the biggest point here. 7 Championships, not bad though. Sounds like you're grinding an axe. :confused:

Pat did win in IHRA PM in Epping a few years ago, though he made the DNQ list for most of the races he attended.

Bonus question - who was the first nitrous racer to run with fuel injection in IHRA PM?

[Slammer Crew]

Pat did win in IHRA PM in Epping a few years ago, though he made the DNQ list for most of the races he attended.

Bonus question - who was the first nitrous racer to run with fuel injection in IHRA PM?

Carl Moyer

[~~~IKE~~~]

Joe, I am aware of your accompliments in NHRA and IHRA, anyone that follows those series should know that. Great racer great tuner why hating on a certian individual????? He (Harold) thought out of the box, and everone is going crazy. Why??. check all the forums, Its more input in this than normal (mainly negative), why is that. Thanks for you input though, I will just have to accept your stance.

Lux. Yes, Pat did win in Epping a few years ago, wasn't even close to qualifying at Budds Creek a few weeks later.

Carl Moyer first FI Nitrous car in IHRA, ????????

[JCOOL]

Joe, I am aware of your accompliments in NHRA and IHRA, anyone that follows those series should know that. Great racer great tuner why hating on a certian individual????? He (Harold) thought out of the box, and everone is going crazy. Why??. check all the forums, Its more input in this than normal (mainly negative), why is that. Thanks for you input though, I will just have to accept your stance.

Lux. Yes, Pat did win in Epping a few years ago, wasn't even close to qualifying at Budds Creek a few weeks later.

Carl Moyer first FI Nitrous car in IHRA, ????????

James,
Thanks for the info on Carl Moyer. Congrats to him. I guess you need to understand the negative impact Harold's "Cart before the Donkey" M4 Race Car before the Production Car had on the Racing community. I went through a bunch with the 1st Beretta and there was a Production car. I guess that is why I have such an unkind attitude, and as you stated I am not alone.
I wish him a safe venture in Gainesville, as I do all of the Racers, and that is the best I can do.
I guess you can't con a con man.

[Annette Summer]

Annette,
I guess you forgot is was TURBO CHARGED :p. I am talking NORMALLY ASPIRATED. Kenny is a good friend of mine and any Turbo he touches is BAD. But N/A Fuel Injection Pat is the man.
Hope you are doing well and give my best to your Better Half.

It was turbo charged, but in its formative years and Pat had the bottle....with how many years of experience?

Seems like I remember a pink car at bowling green that put up the Big #"s so bad (and backed it up)that they had to put a time limit on the record so the rest could catch up. 2 1/2 yrs later they caught up to the Uncle Gene motor Tuned by the Iceman with "carbs". I was called everything in the book that weekend.....accused of cheating, you name it, I was a cheating beotch. After passing tech 2 times that weekend and the naysayers are made to look like cry babies, one of the racers that protested me out of all the whiners that did came up to me and apologizes afterwards and he was a Musi customer.

I have other stories I could tell that involve Harold & Danny Scott from Bristol but I will save them for later and it was involving carbs and FI and weight added.....guess who got the extra 75lbs and still kicked there ass?

Shirley wasnt the only one that caught hell...she might of been the first but not the only.

By no means am I saying Pat dont know FI, he is just not the only.

[luxexpress]

Carl Moyer

Actually, I am pretty sure that Billy Harper ran fuel injection on his Baracuda before Carl, but I could be wrong.

[Nick]

I remember Pat Donovan racing in Top Sportsman about 10 years (or more) ago with EFI on a Batten DOHC Chevy motor with no N2O. He was pretty competitive too.

[1/8 mile fan]

Actually, I am pretty sure that Billy Harper ran fuel injection on his Baracuda before Carl, but I could be wrong.

I think that was mechanical but IDK it was before my time though

[luxexpress]

I think that was mechanical but IDK it was before my time though

You are correct.

[1/8 mile fan]

yay I was right with that!

[Ronnie Davis]

I remember Pat Donovan racing in Top Sportsman about 10 years (or more) ago with EFI on a Batten DOHC Chevy motor with no N2O. He was pretty competitive too.

That was around 1996...

[bae5s]

Harold Martin, Carl Moyer, Scott Ray, Mike Janis, Billy Harper all ran N2O/EFI in IHRA, and probably others.

[1/8 mile fan]

Harold Martin, Carl Moyer, Scott Ray, Mike Janis, Billy Harper all ran N2O/EFI in IHRA, and probably others.

I remember Scott running EFI and testing ALOT.He couldnt get that car to work for anything.I remember him being sponsored by carquest too.

[Jim]

Billy ran injection on his first cuda that he crashed. It was hemi powered.