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Two nitrous cars made it to the finals at the recent IHRA Texas Nationals. Do y'all think it's a fluke or are nitrous cars back in the hunt again?
luxexpress
04-10-2008, 06:55 AM
I think they have closed the gap, but probably will give a bit up to the top blower teams (Janis and the Cannons) in the quarter. I think the ADRL series has encouraged a lot more thinking out of the box and it is translating into better performance. Couple this with much more consistent performance, I think the nitrous cars will be very competitive on race day. It seems that in years past, the nitrous cars have had trouble consistently making it down the track on Sunday, where now cars like Halsey's can make pass after pass. My guess is that you will see at least two more wins out of the nitrous cars in the IHRA this year.:D
brucelee
04-10-2008, 06:59 AM
I think they have closed the gap, but probably will give a bit up to the top blower teams (Janis and the Cannons) in the quarter. I think the ADRL series has encouraged a lot more thinking out of the box and it is translating into better performance. Couple this with much more consistent performance, I think the nitrous cars will be very competitive on race day. It seems that in years past, the nitrous cars have had trouble consistently making it down the track on Sunday, where now cars like Halsey's can make pass after pass. My guess is that you will see at least two more wins out of the nitrous cars in the IHRA this year.:D
x2, I just don't think the nitrous cars can be fully competitve in the 1/4 like the blower cars can. They just seem to start running out of steam past the 660' marker.
Two nitrous cars made it to the finals at the recent IHRA Texas Nationals. Do y'all think it's a fluke or are nitrous cars back in the hunt again?
I don't think Jim Halsey's runs were flukes. He's been running well for a while now. Mike Castellana and Pat Stoken didn't have a very good showing. It will be interesting to see what they all can do at Rockingham. I suspect brucelee is right about the backhalf. I don't expect the other finalist to show up at the Rock. Probably just loosen up their diapers again and go back to running threes at that outlaw stuff.
crankit
04-10-2008, 12:08 PM
I think they have closed the gap, but probably will give a bit up to the top blower teams (Janis and the Cannons) in the quarter. I think the ADRL series has encouraged a lot more thinking out of the box and it is translating into better performance. Couple this with much more consistent performance, I think the nitrous cars will be very competitive on race day. It seems that in years past, the nitrous cars have had trouble consistently making it down the track on Sunday, where now cars like Halsey's can make pass after pass. My guess is that you will see at least two more wins out of the nitrous cars in the IHRA this year.:D
Are you talking out of azz. Halsey and consistance go hand and hand. More blower cars have lost a round due to tire shake than he has. In the past 4 years he is probably one of the most consistant cars out there. His runs aren't on the conservitive side either. Lets face it his car can keep up withmost of the blower cars out there. As far as running out of steam on the back half, I guess we will have to wait and see, it is only a week away. Remember he said at the end of last year that they found something in the backhalf. If the conditions are right, I think you might see a very low 6.0something run.
Just my nickels worth, take it or leave it.
brucelee
04-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Are you talking out of azz. Halsey and consistance go hand and hand. More blower cars have lost a round due to tire shake than he has. In the past 4 years he is probably one of the most consistant cars out there. His runs aren't on the conservitive side either. Lets face it his car can keep up withmost of the blower cars out there. As far as running out of steam on the back half, I guess we will have to wait and see, it is only a week away. Remember he said at the end of last year that they found something in the backhalf. If the conditions are right, I think you might see a very low 6.0something run.
Just my nickels worth, take it or leave it.
I see you like to make an entrance, nice first post. I don't believe he said in the past few years Halsey has had a hard time getting down the track, he said the nitrous cars in general, and he is correct. They are having to shoot so hard and run the cars so ragged just to try and keep up with the blower cars.
Are you talking out of azz. Halsey and consistance go hand and hand. More blower cars have lost a round due to tire shake than he has. In the past 4 years he is probably one of the most consistant cars out there. His runs aren't on the conservitive side either. Lets face it his car can keep up withmost of the blower cars out there. As far as running out of steam on the back half, I guess we will have to wait and see, it is only a week away. Remember he said at the end of last year that they found something in the backhalf. If the conditions are right, I think you might see a very low 6.0something run.
Just my nickels worth, take it or leave it.
Hi Stan, welcome to FastDoorslammers!
I think that if you re-read what Aaron wrote you'll find that he wasn't calling Jim's consistentcy (or performance) into question.
Mike Carpenter
04-10-2008, 02:16 PM
I don't think Jim Halsey's runs were flukes. He's been running well for a while now. Mike Castellana and Pat Stoken didn't have a very good showing. It will be interesting to see what they all can do at Rockingham. I suspect brucelee is right about the backhalf. I don't expect the other finalist to show up at the Rock. Probably just loosen up their diapers again and go back to running threes at that outlaw stuff.
This is an interesting post, as he is suggesting Billy Harper was cheating at the ADRL race in Houston.
Hemi Man
04-10-2008, 02:25 PM
Sure sounds like he is throwing that at someone. What about Billy Harper testing at Houston? Rickie Smith at the Quick 8? Pretty strong accusations. Let's see some proof.
rocketman
04-10-2008, 02:53 PM
I think if they 1/8th mile all the Pm races, the Nitrous cars would be really competive, but in the 1/4 I think that the blower cars will have the big end advantage, I don't thing you will see any low 5.90's or 5.80's nitrous passes, I think a nitrous car will go 5's but high 5's
Jason Bunker
04-10-2008, 03:48 PM
I think if they 1/8th mile all the Pm races, the Nitrous cars would be really competive, but in the 1/4 I think that the blower cars will have the big end advantage, I don't thing you will see any low 5.90's or 5.80's nitrous passes, I think a nitrous car will go 5's but high 5's
I agree completely.
Buddy Trivette
04-10-2008, 04:03 PM
I do know that Jim told me after he ran the 3.95 at Farmington that if you put a good back half on that run it would've been a 6.03 or 6.04, not to bad for a Nitrous car. I personly think that Jim will be the first Nitrous car in the 5's and think it will happen this year.
Lumpy
04-10-2008, 05:20 PM
I don't see a nitrous car running a 2 second backhalf in the near future.
This is an interesting post, as he is suggesting Billy Harper was cheating at the ADRL race in Houston.
How can you cheat at an ADRL race? :confused:
Lumpy
04-10-2008, 05:47 PM
How can you cheat at an ADRL race? :confused:
I was wondering the same thing.... isn't ADRL still "Outlaw"???
Steven B
04-10-2008, 06:37 PM
Do y'all think it's a fluke or are nitrous cars back in the hunt again?
I think with 1/8 mile and rules applied to the blown cars (IHRA Rules) that the NOS cars can compete...
Mike Carpenter
04-10-2008, 09:31 PM
He was referring to dragging the diaper.
Hemi Man
04-10-2008, 09:51 PM
He was referring to dragging the diaper.
I remember someone getting caught at an ADRL race dragging the diaper a few years ago.
Mike Carpenter
04-10-2008, 10:00 PM
I remember someone getting caught at an ADRL race dragging the diaper a few years ago.
You are probably thinking of Valdosta in 2005.
He was referring to dragging the diaper.
I had a look at the ADRL rule regarding ground clearance. I must say it certainly is unique. Do they even check anyway? Remember this is the same outfit that couldn't properly determine wheelbase stagger until a racer showed them how to do it.
I remember someone getting caught at an ADRL race dragging the diaper a few years ago.
You say someone was caught. You don't have to mention a name if you don't want to. Was the ground clearance checked before during a technical inspection? Was it checked after the car had run? Was a penalty assessed? Were any runs disallowed?
luxexpress
04-11-2008, 08:14 AM
I don't see a nitrous car running a 2 second backhalf in the near future.
You might be right, but most of the nitrous guys have different combinations now then they did last year. I think Halsey said he had his down to a 2.06 at the end of the year, so with a few more cubic inches, a little tweaking on the combination and some real good weather, I would not bet against it. I personally think the key to this whole question is whether they are competitive with the blowers the first few races. If they are, Halsey and some of the others will keep at it and they will get better as the season goes along. If the blower cars start dropping 5.8xs and the nitrous cars are in the mid to high 6.0xs, then I don't think that they will bother - unless the IHRA slaps the blowers with more restrictions.
luxexpress
04-11-2008, 10:03 AM
BTW, isn't great that we can at least have this discussion again? The nitrous contingent that has stuck with the IHRA the last few years deserves an enormous amount of credit and respect for continuing to take "a knife to a gunfight" and trying to compete in the IHRA. I think they are starting to see the fruits of their labor and, as I said above, will win a couple more races this year. As far as cheating accusations of Harper, I would say his results in a seven year old, heavier car in San Antonio speak for themselves. I hope we see him and Radford at a few more IHRA events this year.
Yes they do deserve respect and credit. A lot of both.
But I don't think Jim Halsey has a knife. I think he's got a .50-Cal. Magnum. :D
sc137
04-11-2008, 10:21 AM
I don't think it is a 50 cal. it sure as hell lokks like a flame thrower going down the track.:D
notslowonN2O
04-11-2008, 11:07 AM
I don't think it is a 50 cal. it sure as hell lokks like a flame thrower going down the track.:D
You mean like this????
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii254/notslowonN2O/Farmeliminations057.jpg
I too, am glad to see ALL the nitrous cars running as well as they have the last few races......but especially Jim :D:D:D!!!!
Hemi Man
04-11-2008, 02:17 PM
You are probably thinking of Valdosta in 2005.
That would be correct and I will not name any names. It appears that many on here know who
and when it was.
I seem to remember there was some controversy over Josh Hernandez' car at Valdosta in 2006. What ever happened with that, were his runs disallowed?
crankit
04-12-2008, 07:46 AM
I see you like to make an entrance, nice first post. I don't believe he said in the past few years Halsey has had a hard time getting down the track, he said the nitrous cars in general, and he is correct. They are having to shoot so hard and run the cars so ragged just to try and keep up with the blower cars.
Maybe you could explain to me what you mean by running the cars so ragged just to try to keep up. I have seen Halsey make spectular runs including record runs for a nitrous car, come back to the pits leak the motor and out the car the away. It is more then just the red rocket that is able to consistantly make pass after pass with very competitive numbers without hurting the motor. As far as trying to keep up with the blower cars, at the last IHRA race how many blower cars qualified better then the fastest nitrous car? Thats right only 2, only 3 cars in the 3's and one of them was a nitrous car, oh the horror. Amazing that a nitrous car could do that and still be able to make the call on Sunday. So based on your assesment that they are running on the ragged edge of performance, I guess that Halsey and his crew hvae had to travel to their first 3 races of the year with 11 spare bullets. I wonder where they put them all?
brucelee
04-13-2008, 10:18 PM
Maybe I should have specified, I was referring to 1/4 competition and not 1/8. Yeah the nitrous cars did GREAT at San Antonio, but what is going to happen the rest of the season when they are running down the second 660'? And yes, the majority of nitrous cars are running right on the edge of burning pistons nearly every pass to keep up with the blower cars on the second 660'.
PS. I never said Halsey was the only one who could do it, he is just the most consistent at being able to do it. Not burn pistons that is.
This is an interesting post, as he is suggesting Billy Harper was cheating at the ADRL race in Houston.
Are you suggesting that it wasn't a fluke Harper ran 3.92 then couldn't run within a tenth of that later?
luxexpress
04-14-2008, 02:16 PM
Are you suggesting that it wasn't a fluke Harper ran 3.92 then couldn't run within a tenth of that later?
The new, lightweight car was damaged during the first qualifying run and he then qualified and ran his seven year old, heavier car. Not to mention, it is very difficult to compare runs from different tracks at different times. Track prep, weather, etc. have huge effects on performance.
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